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Poster: jds121291 Date: Nov 20, 2010 10:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: furthur

furthur light it up tonight at the garden

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Is it just me, or do most of these Furthur shows being uploaded to the archive sound like shit? Unlistenable! Most of the vocals seem to be drowned out by a crappy mix.

Some of the early Dead AUDS recorded on crude equipment some 40 years ago sound better...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 1:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I did something tonight I have never done . I left a show . In the middle of D/S of all songs .
I've seen them 4 times this year and frankly it's been O.K. , w/ some precious moments of It . A few moments of the mojo tonight during Help and Terrapin Flyer .
However ,
I got a few thoughts about Furthur .
They do not listen to each other . Or well at least . Phil , Jeff and Joe are there . Where is Bobby half the time if not more ? And who the heck is he playing music with ? Sometimes I don't think it's with anyone on stage . ( Sorry Ring ) John is playing from the songbook , or the 3K generic GD guitar solos he knows ( that all sound mighty similar ), or I simply can't perceive who he's playing with . An example of this was a tragic version of El Paso tonight . Bob was away for this song . I won't get into it other then to say it was sad . So , Bob is fumbling the lines vocally and not playing his guitar and John cranks up generic GD jam #423 which is not even close to the spirit of the song . The damn song is a C&W ballad and JK is slurring a kinda UJB jam loudly . Where is the recognition of the genre of music ? Give me some twangy Western riffs . You don't have to copy Garcia , but make an attempt to understand what is going on with the nature of the song . Nothing . Just the same ol' generic GDish jams .
They are loud . Consider earplugs when seeing them inside .
Sunshine and J.P. add a beautiful vocal blanket when they are allowed . At times the are 6 singers so it's almost a little choral thing going . I like that .
This band has little depth . Let's take a new one to remove it from a GD context , Mountain Song . Jeff starts this one out with some nice jazzy chords and my ears pick up , then he proceeds to go off in an nonmusical , loud and jambandy way . Cliche . ( Why does everything have to be cranked up w/ these folks ? ) There were possibilities there . Jeff did not need to go in that direction and the man has some chops . This pattern is constantly repeated . The quiet , more intricate parts of songs are by the book . Almost all improv is done loudly , and when your not listening to each other well it's close to noise . This band just doesn't swing .
The breaking of all the rules about where and when a song should be , is fun . After a damn good Help opener and an above average Slipknot I was hoping the Shakedown was gonna light up the night , and it just didn't happen . The usual suspects I mentioned above .

But one person is the best ( and that's why I'll go see them next summer ) , and that is Phil . He is a positive , joyous beacon . Almost always smiling , engaged completely . I do like seeing Bobby too . He just drives me nuts half the time , but I love his misfit power and TOO , PITB , Sugar Mags.....Bill Walton walked around the floor before the show . He was walking a little gingerly . He was gracious with the photo requests . He and Phil greeted each other with big hugs . Best part of the night .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm still stuck on the fact that you actually left. You left?! wasn't expecting to hear that.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Talk about a shocker; me too...and to be honest, I am starting to think I should come around to being a "Bob Supporter". It's starting to sound like he needs a few.

Can he really be that interested in the money alone? I think there's something going on, substance issues, health related issues, etc., but then I think of myself as a worn out old professor, half assed teaching efforts, refusing to listen, unable to hear properly, but forging ahead.

Oh yeah, that's me now. Nevermind.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

WT , we had seats in back of the stage , but very close . There was a good thirty to forty feet from the locker room to the stage , so I was able to observe a bit of , off stage right . Bob came out about 7 ( show began @7:50 ) wearing khakis and a blue blazer , walking smartly .
They have 2 rectangular 'black boxes' , sliding curtains w/ couches , ect. on stage ( an on stage dressing room ) . Bob spent the whole 50' in one till show time ( Thank God the curtains were down ).( 3 young men sat on one couch at the beginning of the show and smoked a joint - nice work if you can get it .)
Bill Walton came around soon after Bob and walked from mid court to backstage . By himself . No security . As I mentioned , he was gracious with the many requests . Huge roar from the crowd when he was recognized . I guess Bill's nationwide now . Cheers even in NYC . As Bill was leaving Phil came out of the locker room entrance and greeted Bill warmly .
Phil was very warm with the crowd when he came out , acknowledging the many cheers from all sides . Smiling that smile . Then he got down to business with his list of things that needed to be done . And he focused intently and did his thing .
Now , Deb is a huge Bobby fan . Huge . She voiced many concerns that you raise WT on the ride home . Again , I'll let her elaborate . My eyes were closed most of the first set , so I did not see the dynamic on stage .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Love hearing about Phil, and of course, Walton. Really too bad about Bob. I am becoming obsessed with finding a simple explanation (though confident there may not be one), along the lines of substance abuse, physical issue, emotional issue, whatever issue (you know how I just have to have an "answer" and the shades of grey biz upsets my little well-organized world immensely...well, okay, overstating it there, but true to a point, of course, as you all well know hereabouts).

Does seem that one and all accept that SOMETHING is going on with Bob, whatever it may be...thus, the "bad night?" notions of he's as happy and engaged as ever no longer seem defensible (though I accept an explanation might allow that he can be okay on rare nights and manifest this sort of poor show due to the "issue" on most nights).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm touched to see that you are concerned about Bob after all ...

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Poster: kjn70 Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

jerrys dead it sucks we know it is what it is there are some bright cohesive spots and some lacking i clocked 143 Grateful Dead shows throughout the years and i remember some horrible shows .......its what we got left enjoy it before thats gone......peace love happiness "for the record i walked out of one show it was msg phish new years year???? went to nyc with girlfriend at the time to see the ball hung around garden and a door popped so we ran in and up 5 flights or so bang in for free "i ve done like 4 times at msg>>>>" left early to see ball wish i never did never walk out golden rule #3

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

.its what we got left enjoy it before thats gone

That's it.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Bingo! It's precious time to me and it will be gone someday...I want as much of it as I can have just not at MSG ;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Nah, not money. When he's on, he's fine, and he obviously wants to do it, or he'd stop. But when he's off, he's disastrously off, it seems.
But yeah, same could be said for a lot of us ...

My hubby has been devouring Keith Richards's book, and Keith refers to Mick's suffering from Lead Vocalist Syndrome. I thought with the GD it was Bobby who suffered Lead Vocalist Syndrome (Jerry totally didn't). I think the end stages of Lead Vocalist Syndrome aren't pretty.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 21, 2010 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

And what is Lead Vocalist Syndrome? Is it catching? Do you get shots?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

If you just think of Mick Jagger, you get the idea. He defines the syndrome.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

When I think of Mick Jagger I think of bantam roosters. And that's on his good days. Bobby is more like Yosemite Sam.

Dang, I wish someone had taught Bob how to sing properly when he was starting out. He was a throat screamer of the worst kind. All those NFAs and Sugar Mags!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

"Nah, not money. When he's on, he's fine, and he obviously wants to do it, or he'd stop. But when he's off, he's disastrously off, it seems.
But yeah, same could be said for a lot of us ..."

including a certain Mr. Garcia, may he Rest In Peace.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

exactly, considering Jerry died young and some folks think he sucked for about 20 years before he died anyway, imagine what this forum would look like today if Jerry had been in the lineup last night ... a blood bath.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Jerry does take a beating at times.....

had he lived, assuming he would've changed his lifestyle to survive this long, I like to think he would be playing with the same renewed sense of joy we are witnessing in Phil

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 24, 2010 4:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

And maybe just as skinny.

I don't think there'd be a bloodbath, though. My sense is that folks used to gripe about Jerry, but ragged on Bob. There's a difference. Jerry caught it for not being up to what he could be (eg a genius). Bob always caught it for being Bob. (Big topic, which we've gotten into before ...!)

Anyway, I like the fleeting image of a skinny, happy 68-year-old Jerry ... ah well ...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 21, 2010 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Now that is a nice thought to carry through Sunday afternoon.

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Poster: kjn70 Date: Nov 21, 2010 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

i heard it was lsd lead singer disease

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Ha!

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Poster: roo_nyc Date: Nov 21, 2010 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I think you may have missed some more mojo during St. Stephen, but that's tangential to your point.

You can view it one of two ways: either Garcia had an incredible range of playing styles, and can draw emotion into all of them, or Kadelick simply does not have the range outside of a smooth jammy style. A better storyteller than Warren, for sure, but both of them, for all their skill, lack the breadth of Garcia.

John also lacks that grit/power/anger factor of Garcia. The end of Terrapin should be, well, a bit bombastic, building shaking. He's just not there, just playing the notes correctly, just playing along, not driving.

It's kinda a late 70's Allmans - all smoothed out, but still the Allmans, but not the same raging core.

But your main points are spot on. Bob is nowhere, or drops in twinky, whiny chords that mean nothing. It's difficult to say he's singing, but that was true through the 90's too. Both his and John's patch choices are pretty questionable.

But by gum, Phil is having a blast with a great sounding instrument, and is jazzing up the joint. Totally worth the price just to see Phil at the top of a new game, and i'll miss it when it's gone, so i'll probably paste a smile on and go again.

Oh, and I actually like Mountain Song, but YMMV.

::r

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2010 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

IE, CLIFF? Jg?

Let us know your thoughts...how'd the "meet/greet" work out? Or did you miss one another, lost in the shock of Bob's efforts?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Wow. There are some *seriously* divergent opinions at philzone, everything from Bob Weir is one foot in the grave to greatest show since 1979.

I'm obviously gonna have to listen and decide for myself.

I will say Micah I think it's too bad you left at the opening of the second set. The one show that I have seen, in July this year, the second set was better than the first by orders of magnitude. Had I gone home at the end of the first set, I would probably not have the greatest things to say about Furthur nor probably a desire to see them again.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 21, 2010 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Well the meet & greet didn't happen. Mainly because I had to take the teens to a girls room that didn't have a huge line. I did go by what I thought was the meeting spot but I was probably late and neither of us knows what the other looks like. I can't offer much detail concerning the show but feel that Micah described it pretty well. It seemed Bob was either overly preoccupied with his gear or was having equipment issues, especially during Dark Star. When I got home and put on a GD disc it dawned on me that Furthur just doesn't have a focused driver; i.e. when a jam or improv starts getting weird there is no 'Jerry' leading and going and being the glue to hold it all together. I did not leave and was really happy to hear the Franklin's Tower. The Help > Slip to open and the Franklin's to close was a really cool concept. For me the first set was really good, and things got a little off the rails for the second set when things got unfocused. Am I glad I went - hell yeah, glad I brought my daughters and nephew - definitely.

One funny thing, We're sitting in our sets before show time and someone starts rubbing my head from behind - I turn around and it's my uncle!!! I said how'd you know where I was and he says "There are no secrets anymore" - he apparently saw my post with my section & row mentioned.

My gf was there with a bunch of old college friends and I did find her and got to do some dancing; and that is always good.

My kids & nephew thought it was strange that so many 'old people' were 'smoking'.

MSG 11/20/2010

I: Help on the Way > Slipknot! > Shakedown Street, Jack Straw, El Paso, Wharf Rat, Two Djinn > Lady with a Fan > Terrapin > At a Siding > Terrapin Flyer

II: The Mountain Song > Dark Star > The Other One, St. Stephen > The Eleven > Death Don't Have No Mercy, Franklin's Tower
E: One More Saturday Night


This post was modified by jglynn1.2 on 2010-11-21 17:00:57

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Section 215 . No , section 115 . Texts ! It was crazy in those hallways . Could they make the hallways in the 200's smaller ? The hearts were willing J . We'll meet someday .
I am glad you had a good time , kids , dancing , happy gf . Your uncle surprising you was great . "There are no secrets anymore." And you are not kidding about the smoke . I went out to the hallway a few minutes into Two Djinn to try and regain my musical bearings . Smoke was pouring out of the exits like a giant was exhaling from inside MSG .

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Sean, it was a pleasure meeting you and Deb!

Really enjoyed our meal and time together at Sigiri!

Sorry you didn't enjoy Further, but naturally I'm not surprised ;)

Hope you will come fishing next summer!

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

who's who in the picture?

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Cliff it was great to meet and spend some time with you and Christine. I really enjoyed our meal! I guess you're glad we didn't really talk you into going with us last night. Our lunch was the highlight of our day! Let's do it again soon.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Likewise and can't wait!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 24, 2010 2:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Obviously Sean is the one in the Touchhead cap :-)

As for all the black, well, I think it's required dress in NYC. Cliff, of course, refuses to go with the crowd. But he probably had to pay a fine.

So you weren't sold on Furthur at MSG, eh? Always wanted to see an MSG show (never got there "back in the day"), but I'm with Deb on sometimes feeling claustrophic at big huge places unless they're ... well, outdoors, or somehow cozy. And NO DANCING? Were they trying to invent a new form of punishment? Or running a test? Restraining Deadheads to see if they'd explode?!?

I'm so mixed on the idea of seeing Furthur. On the one hand, what little I've heard (not having had the heart to listen to whole shows) sounds so good that I really really want to see them and want to take my kid and let him have at least some of the experience, and I feel bad that it's highly unlikely that I'll be in the States when they're playing nearby. (So I kind of don't WANT to like them).

On the other hand, I'd be afraid of going and then NOT enjoying it. Which, however, is how I felt before every one of the (very few) shows I saw in the '90s. Worried about whether I'd like it. Though it always turned out I had a good time.

Oh well, it's all theoretical ...


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Ah!! Finally faces to go with names! Great.
tho I am disappointed after all the hype about "hippie renaissance" :) everyone's in black!

Sean and Deb have to be on the left; Cliff's posted his own pic here before so I know him, even without a fish in the picture ...

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Hey...you can't see my skirts (yes I had 2 on) that my kids so nicely told me clashed well together! I had a great time...the food was good, the company was fantastic!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

so was the food as scary as predicted?

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Thankfully, the food was not as scary as it could have been had we not had an awesome (and knowledgeable) waitress. I was really quite scared to eat there and found, with her help, incredibly yummy food! Don't ask me what I had because I have no idea...it didn't look at all like what the description said it would be. I would definitely go back there next time I have a craving for Sri Lankan food.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 24, 2010 4:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Sri Lankan is scary?!? Now here's where I'd post a pic of our recent meal here in the Himalayas, Fried Coagulated Blood of Recently Slaughtered Goat, if I could just figure out how to post pictures ...

Very yummy. C'mon over for dinner sometime :-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

Thx for the update, J; so cool you can take the girls out for such an experience...if you don't mind my asking, did they all go or just the ones of "appropriate" (?) age? And, to continue with my prying, were they properly "prepared" or did you find yourself explaining "er...Bob used to..." or some such? Just curious--assume they have a solid foundation of the DEAD, and know you've conveyed some tidbits on how they take it, and your obsession, but just wondering if they had similar reactions--ie, that this Bob fellow was off, or if they just enjoyed the opportunity with dad and didn't much care what was actually being played, etc?

For my own experience, the oft mentioned Ratdog show I walked out on five or more yrs back, I was there with all three boys, HS age or thereabouts, and two stayed (with wife, my little sister, etc.), while only the least interested one left with me after the first set...ironically, the other two that stayed almost thought I'd committed a mortal deadhead sin for leaving early, and didn't really think it was nearly as bad as I made out...the youngest, that did leave with me, gave me the "I told you they'd suck...cause I've always told you they suck" speech, so that was expected. He's never really gotten "it" or my obsession with "it", etc., etc. Interestingly, he's the only one of the three that can play guitar, etc., though the oldest is the only one that's consistently been in a band (folk stuff; loves Hunter; etc).

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 22, 2010 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What about the rest of the gang?

I only took the two teens (17 & 14) and My nephew Jack (14). I explained to them that if anyone hands them anything to "not put it in their mouths or drink it". I don't think they were paying much attention to the music as much as the whole experience. The setlist was more of a seasoned Deadhead setlist but Emma recognized a few tunes. They certianly had lots of comments concerning the folks around us at the show so they were definitely paying attention. My nephew was bopping along to alot of the tunes and he had a big smile on his face.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 22, 2010 7:45am
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Ha--good advice...you're a good dad. I am sure the "experience" was far more entertaining to them than the music! And, at that age, I am sure you were having to be sure they didn't get too far out of your line of sight as much as anything. I always had my little sister (15 at the time) right next to me at the first few shows; regardless of "our" hippieish reputation, there were always a few guys around that I felt might have to meet Mr Fist (shocking, eh?) if she was in any way put upon...I abhor violence, but there were rare instances when at least the apparent threat was useful (being especially large and in shape was all that was necessary of course). She was an esp attractive kid, and I always mentioned "ya know, you should really wear one of these burlap bag dresses if you want to be a real deadhead...you'll blend right in" but she insisted on looking her best.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 22, 2010 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Phil vs. Bob?

Been out of circulation for a week or so, but came back in time to see this. I can only say that, in my opinion, you've hit the proverbial nail on the head. The music is there...but that is pretty much it. The emotion is hard to find. Yes, they manage to hook you in here and there, but not on a consistent basis. Don't know if it's Bobby specifically, but I've been more emotionally involved in many Phil and Friends shows. They never came across as an attempt to copy what was, but rather created their own improvasation that, while not Jerry, still had the power to bring you in and keep you there without coming across as a watered down version of the original.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 22, 2010 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Could this explain Bob's state of mind?

Lil' Kim is a nasty little gal....

http://www.jambands.com/news/2010/11/22/lil-kim-jams-with-bob-weir-backstage/

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 22, 2010 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Could this explain Bob's state of mind?

"Before Sunday night’s performance, Weir spent some time backstage hanging with real estate developer Billy Procida and rapper Lil’ Kim. Weir and Lil’ Kim also riffed on “Truckin’,” a song that would later open Furthur’s set. Lil’ Kim took in the performance from the venue’s soundboard."

Wow.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 22, 2010 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Could this explain Bob's state of mind?

More info - check out the pic of Bill Walton (sure, that's the pic I was focused on):

http://www.mmepr.com/shakedownnews/2010/11/bob-weir-lil-kim-and-bill-walton-support-table-to-table-charity-in-new-york-before-furthur-show/

Surprised Hunter (or Barlow) didn't get cowriting credit on this Lil Kim "classic":

Suck My Dick lyrics
Uh, uh, uh
Uh, uh, uh

To all my motherfuckin' gettin' money hoes
Used to clothes
And all my ghetto bitches in the projects
Coming through like bulldozers
No, we ain't sober
Bum bitches know better than to start shit
Niggas love a hard bitch
One that get up in a nigga's ass quicker than an enema
Make a cat bleed then sprinkle it with vinegar
Kidnap the senator
Make him call his wife and say he never coming home
Kim got him in a zone beating they dicks
Even got some of these straight chicks rubbing their tits
[*laughs*]
What? I'm loving this shit
Queen Bitch!
What bitch you know can thug it like this?
Imagine if I was dude and hittin' cats from the back
With no strings attached
Yeah nigga, picture that!
I treat y'all niggas like y'all treat us
No Doubt! Ay yo, yo
Come here so I can bust in ya mouth

[1 - Lil' Kim (Mr. Bristal)]
(Ay yo, come on here bitch)
Nigga FUCK YOU
(No, FUCK YOU BITCH)
Who you talking to?
(Why you actin' like a BITCH?)
Cause y'all niggas ain't shit
And if I was dude
I'd tell y'all to suck my dick

[Repeat 1]

[Lil' Kim]
No, no, no, no
All I wanna do is get my pussy sucked (Nigga!)
Count a million bucks in the back of an armor truck
While I get you fucked up off the T.O.N.Y.
The BX, the chron-chron
And the list goes on and on
(On and on and on)
Like Erykah Badu
Once he drink the Remi down
Ooh I got this nigga now
He asked me did I love him
I said what came to mind like niggas be doing
Yeah baby, I love you long time
Look I ain't tryin' to suck ya
I might not even fuck ya
Just lay me on this bed and give me some head
Got the camcord layin' in the drawer where he can't see
Can't wait to show my girls he sucked the piss out my pussy
Been doin' this for years, no need to practice
Take lessons from the Queen and you'll know how to mack this
Niggas know he gave me all his cake
I peeled the Benji's off and threw the singles back in his face

[Repeat 1 (2x)]

[Lil' Kim]
I'mma keep it real
For the dough I might kill
I'm try-na see my face on a hundred dollar bill
Met this dude name Jaleel at this Abdulla fight
He said he'd pay me ten grand just to belly dance
Cum all on his pants
I met him at the studio
He showed up with his homeboy named Julio
I said 'Whoa! Who's the other guy?'
Hope you know you paying extra for this fuckin' third eye
Something about him, I knew he was a phony
Put the burner in his mouth
'Fool, Give me my money!'
He was just a nigga frontin' like he knew mad stars
In his homeboy's whips like he got mad cars
Niggas ain't shit but they still can trick
All they can do for me is suck my clit
I'm jumpin' up and up after I cum
Thinkin' they gon' get some pussy but they gets none

[Repeat 1 fade out]



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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Could this explain Bob's state of mind?

Maybe she should sing the Pigpen songs.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

wow. not what I expected to hear from you.
so now I'm wondering, do you know how to play music? it seems that I see a divide here on the forum -- people that can actually play music themselves seem to be impossible for furthur to win over. I'm can't play a note, and I thought friday's show in worcester was great.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Does this mean us "Bob Bashers" get a big fat "I Told You So?"

BTW, I don't play a note myself, so can't add to your hypothesis, but there you have it.

I know I started out on the side of giving him a break (the great ElPaso debate sometime back), and then turning to the Dark Side after viewing him; this just seems to confirm that we were right--I am still wondering what folks think the explanation is for Bob's issues...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:22am
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>I am still wondering what folks think the explanation is for Bob's issues...

No idea here. He's done, and doesn't realize it/can't admit it? Time to retire. Take up hobbies.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 21, 2010 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Maybe his heart is no longer in it but he feels he owes it to us (to Phil?) to keep on going. I can see how easily the weight of expectation associated with being a custodian of the Grateful Dead legacy could become stifling. Only Phil seems to have found a way of wholly embracing the past by finding ways of reinterpreting it for the future.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Sure, plus he's got to bear the weight of all the fans' resentment of him for still being alive while Jerry's not.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Who the hell resents Bobby for living?

I just don't care to hear what he has to offer within the confines of furthur. I don't want to pay money to see any band where I have to temper my expectations.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Just my armchair psychoanalysis, but I think it's a factor.

Well, you don't have to see them; but really after the grateful dead, my expectations of just about anyone else are tempered.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Go see new or still vital live music. In the past few months I've seen great shows by Faith No More, Arcade Fire, Cold War Kids, Band of Horses, Tom Petty, drivin n cryin, and next monday I'll go see Grinderman. There's plenty of great music still being made and a lot of stuff I've yet to catch or even heard of - just gotta poke around. I've given Furthur a try but it just doesn't move me. And while I understand why people enjoy DSO, again, it doesn't move me to hear a "band" recreate another band's music. Make it new and make it your own or why bother? Thus, I'm really, really curious to see Billy K with Papa Mali and George Porter, Jr. To me, that's truly further....

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Sure, I take your point, we were really just analyzing why maybe Bob is having "issues" and those were possible factors (weight of fans' expectations taking a toll).

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:42pm
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Understood. And by the way, I really appreciate Bob and what he brought (and I guess still brings on occasion) to the band. Hell, I'm one of the few that really likes Black Throated Wind (and even admit to liking Brother Esau as one of the latter day songs).

Micah - have fun at 7 Walkers. Give a report. They were at Moe's in Santa Cruz right around Halloween, but it was a "school night" and I just don't bounce back like I used to for the work day and I've never been good at moderation when I go out to a show. Too much of everything...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 22, 2010 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

I'm a weir guy too. It's funny how the guy gets crapped on but was actually the one who was the force behind the GD in later years when garcia went off to La La land. Weir is actually high in the mix and almost lead on a lot of nights in 94 and 95. And yes the axe pick sound is bad and not having Jer stand out sucked but the guy really did pick up the slack for the band. I think this cancels out the fact he had ball hanger shorts and climbed the speaker tower at a show

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 22, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

lob - For my ears Bob's guitar playing evolved and become very interesting in the '80's & 90's . It wasn't the golden tones of '72 , but it fit sometimes that his guitar would sound like sheets of metal . And I like when he steps out to lead , like he did a ton in '87 , '94 , '95 ; and on many other happier times during GD's life . I like Healy's work , but my most serious complaint is his under mixing of Bob , for years .
As far as anything to do visually with Bob ......

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 22, 2010 11:25am
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I agree. I think his sound in the late 80's is awesome. For me I like comparing a great deal with the GD and a great deal with JGB. I think Bob really makes that tune work. Not that there aren't awesome versions with the Jerry band but something is missing for me and it's Weir. Not to mention...I love the diversity of songs in a GD concert. I like his tunes as much as I like Garcia's.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 22, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

So do I . They both have one's that leave me cold . ( Picasso Moon , IMBTR ). I used to have jags were a would just listen to what Bob was doing . Still do .
He has an incredible body of work . I hope someday it's finally presented correctly .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 22, 2010 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

I like Black-Throated Wind!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Just under a month before the 7 Walkers . I am already excited . Going to see Deep Banana Blackout to get my funk on , Thanksgiving night .
Hey , BD I think I'm at your musical cruising speed at the moment . Whoah . Vertigo .

There is a big , strong , black women inside this little white girl .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF4bP6ZubIA

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 22, 2010 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Where are you seeing 7 Walkers? I'm going to see them in Bayshore in Dec.

Where is Deep Bannana Blackout playing? I used to see them at a tiny place called da Funky Fish in Bayshore - they really are fun.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 22, 2010 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

http://www.7walkers.com/tour.html

I am going to Fairfield , and we will see about NYC and Northampton .

http://www.deepbananablackout.com/

We are going to Funksgiving @ Toads . Their tour page is in serious need of an upgrade , but from what I can tell New Haven on Turkey Eve and Fairfield on NYE .

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 21, 2010 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

I resent Chapman's aim for hitting John instead of Yoko. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than resenting Bob for living.

I was at last night's show and took the opportunity to take a bathroom break during Hells Asshole. It's now between sets of night 2 at MSG and the first set's Eyes and Viola Lee smoked.

The 2nd set WR Prelude-Part 1-Time-Let it Grow was da bomb.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 22, 2010 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

What's "Hells asshole"?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 22, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

El Paso.

If you've ever been there in the middle of summer you'd know why.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 21, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob drops Further...

Is the problem El Paso? I recall some months ago seeing a video of a horrible butchering of EP. It's got a different (if pretty common) 3/4 time signature -- maybe he just loses the count.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

counterexample here - i'm a pretty fluent musician and I think Furthur is really great. Not really even close to the best of the grateful dead, but that's not really a fair rubric to judge them by. I agree that Kadlecik is extremely skilled but his sensibilities just aren't on the same level as Garcia's were. His phrasing is all right, but it's just not even close to jerry.

However, they still reach some pretty great highs, and while I'd never listen to Furthur on my headphones over the grateful dead, they put on a DAMN good concert. And micah, they do listen to each other pretty attentively. I think the difference is they're just not adventurous enough, they don't really experiment except with their predetermined set lists. Last night was a really great show, SO solid and crisp I thought, but they don't take as many risks for whatever reason. They don't really take any risks, come to think of it.

The highlight of last night was the Death Don't. I was chilled to the bone. Bob sounded amazing singing it, and John spun out the most thoughtful solo I've ever heard him play. The tension was incredible.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

OK, so my theory about musicianship is blown.
Maybe it's as simple as managing your expectations heading into a Furthur show....

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I couldn't agree more. If you're going to expect to hear the Grateful Dead you will be terribly disappointed. If you're going to have a good time while it's still here, then you will most likely have a really good time...if not, just leave during Dark Star ;)

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I think that's probably about right.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I think so. I went with very very low expectations - repeat to self endlessly, This is not the Grateful Dead. Anything beyond that is a pleasant surprise and there turned out to be a lot of pleasant surprises!!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I respect your opinion MC . I think a lot has to do with how much Garcia influenced you as an artist , directly , live . People speak often of believing he was singing to only them . He was able to deliver such a high emotional content to his voice , combined with a breadth and depth of musicianship that also brought a high emotional impact . He was the one , the focal point that some have mentioned is missing in Further . While listening to Furthur I hear his lines in my head all the time . He knew how to sculpt notes and mostly pick that right ones . He was at times fearless on stage . I am realizing how rare that is . It takes a certain brass to have no real idea were you are going musically and it all could crash and burn in front of thousands of people . And it did . And he still would go back out on the edge . Most artists just don't put themselves out there like he did . It's just too frightening . He was truly a Great Artist . I miss him more , not less as time goes on .
Furthur is not GD . But , it's hard to not have all that history in your head when I go see them . I think that Bobby and Phil combining forces and passing the torch to the next generation of musicians and fans is a true gift . They do not have to do this . It must be love .
MC , I'll give the DDHNM is listen . Now , I have about 5 others just jumped into my head cause that is one of my favs . If I waste 10' , I comin' lookin' for you MC .;-)

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I agree with everything you said there. As I said, Furthur doesn't come anywhere close to the spiritual intensity that Garcia had to offer when he was on. And I do think that, having been too young to have seen them live, I have an altogether different attitude going to these post-Jerry shows; more of a gift that I get to see them play together at all. The dead will always live primarily in my tapes, and so my relationship with them will always be chiefly a private one, but it's pretty glorious to see these two guys, my gods to some extent, playing together happily and joyously.

In that sense I'm somewhat grateful to be so young, because it enables me to see Furthur for what they are rather than trying to compare them to faded memories of what their music is emulating.

And micah - I still can't believe you walked out! Dark Star > The Other One > St. Stephen > The Eleven > Death Don't > Franklin's Tower!!! You left just when the good stuff was starting to pour out. I agree that El Paso was totally lame, though.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

You are right MC . I am ruined for what is now It's just the way it is . While you see/hear opportunity . That's why I try to find a balance between being honest and not trashing the fans or the overall experience . You are the next torchbearers .

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I am not a musician siun .
I think I need outdoor shows with less people . I 'll go to Coney Island and GOV . And hopefully will see you there . Deb was at DCU Friday and had a great time . But , I'll let her respond .
You haven't been around as much . Hope you are well .:-)

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

oh I wish I knew Dancin' Deb was there -- I would have loved to meet the lady.
so sorry you didn't have a good show last night. Have you tried seeing Dark Star Orchestra? What did you think of them?

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I LOVE DSO! Maybe we could meet at a DSO show...I'm still working on getting S to go with me! Maybe we can tag team him ;)

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm hoping to see DSO again soon -- was looking at their calendar and there isn't anything out my way (boston) anytime soon. I've only seen them twice, but I thought they were a lot of fun.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm hoping to go to see them on 12/30 in Bridgeport...but that's a hike for you!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Give us some highlights?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 21, 2010 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Your name came up as we were leaving the building . As if the last voice for us to reconsider . The other side of the story here is Deb wanted to leave as much as I did . But I think she is going to begin posting more , so I will leave that for her .
There were two highlights musically that I saw . Help was really good ( but that is a highly scripted song ) as was Terrapin Flyer ( ditto). Shakedown was rolling to begin with and then it , and sadly the rest of this evening , came off the rails .
Ring over at this site , http://www.philzone.com/ , click on Discussion ( near top ) and then the top thread , Show Reviews . In that thread are some members of the ADBL . The Anti-Defamation Bob League . A certain Walter(?) was commenting on meetings ,ect.
D. & I had a great time flitting about NYC after we left , but that not the highlights you are asking for . Sorry Ring . Here , rob linked this show up for me in the spring and it's still in contention for best new music of the year ( to me ) . First 5 songs .

http://www.archive.org/details/1999-04-17.paf.sbd.miller.25297.sbeok.flacf

btw - I had to play El Paso about 10 times when I got home . I really like those cowboy tunes .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 8:28am
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thanks. I wondered if Deb was in agreement! So she doesn't want to go today, too? Hopefully she will tell us about Worcester, was it equally disappointing or better?
I just greatly admire and respect Bob and feel bad if he's having issues, whatever they are. Nothing to be ashamed of after, what, 40 years of beautiful music? What more can we ask? It is normal not to be at the top of one's game after 40 years. I don't know how I get out the door some mornings, and I don't have thousands of people expecting me to go on being a living legend.

I was just chatting with a friend whom I've known for about 25 years, and she moved recently, and I confessed that I am unable to memorize her new phone number. If it weren't in my cell phone, I simply wouldn't be able to call her, 'cus I can't memorize new phone numbers. I am senile. Bob has a few years on me and is doin' pretty good all things considered ...

(haven't checked out your links yet but will later on)

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm hoping that I can put into words what happened for me last night. First, let me start by saying that I had an amazing time in Worcester and I thought they sounded great. The DCU Center was so relaxed...it was kind of like security decided to just let us have fun. It was great and I would go again in a heartbeat to see Furthur there!
Unfortunately, MSG was not anywhere near relaxed. I had forgotten how much I dislike it there...I can't stand the hallways and it brings out my claustrophobia. The security was ridiculous and wouldn't let us dance really anywhere inside the arena (you could dance in the bigger entrances, I believe).
What I've realized, after a lot of reflection as to why I wanted to leave last night, is that going to dance to the music and going to just listen to the music are 2 very different things. I have a hard time picking out instruments, so I tend to listen to music as a whole . I can't speak of their technical problems but as a whole, I didn't think they sounded great. I couldn't dance last night as there was no place for me to do so without leaving S and I didn't want to do that so I actually paid attention more to the music. I didn't hate it, it just didn't sound cohesive. Maybe something happens to the music when I spin...I don't know, but it sounded great to me Friday night in Worcester. And, I agree Ring, after 40 years I think they we should cut Bobby some slack...though I am concerned for him.
So these were the things that led to us leaving...during Dark Star...who leaves during Dark Star?? but it was the right decision for us. I will absolutely go see them again (and again...I need more shows:) but I don't think I will ever go to MSG again!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 22, 2010 2:23pm
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I still put Bob Carpenter Center at the U of Delaware the worst place they've played yet by a long shot. Their security is jackbooted Gestapo campus police and staties everywhere.

We had no problem up in the 300's on the first night of MSG with any security. Come to think of it I never saw them the whole night.

The second night I was on the floor and no one really bothered us then either.



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 22, 2010 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Where I was (sec 219) folks were dancing up a storm and no security in site, was also dancing in the aisle dead center behind stage (sec 215) and were not bothered at all. I grew up in LI and saw many shows at MSG & Nassau so am probably used to it. My overall experience at MSG is some security guys take their job very seriously and some don't it all depends on the section, so I usually move around till I find a good section.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

This is really helpful Deb, 'cus it confirms for me that we would not have had a good time, that MSG is just not the way to do it. My husband is in NYC frequently on business and basically hates it (he's not a city boy at all). He is also claustrophobic and would have probably freaked out - maybe we need to stick to the very open and relaxed venues, hopefully the Mann next summer, or I haven't been to Mohegan Sun, have you seen them there? also he asked me if they were loud and I said no, they didn't seem loud to me at all at the Mann last summer so it is interesting to hear from Sean that they are loud indoors.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 12:39pm
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I had a completely different experience at Mohegan Sun than ShakeItUp...I found the staff to be similar to MSG...but it was wide open...they just wouldn't let us dance anywhere...they kept saying (at Mohegan Sun) "You paid for the space in front of your seat..that is where you get to dance"...obviously, they had never been to a Grateful Dead show before, hmmmppffh!

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I will defer to you -- I only went once and had great seats, so I never really wandered off.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 12:46pm
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Once we made our way to the back of the floor and could dance, it was great fun. I guess I'm just getting finicky in my 40's...all I want to do is dance and if I can't do that then it's no fun! I wonder how the Nokia would be?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 21, 2010 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'm glad you and your hub are still on the quest and I can live vicariously. At my age, dancing has been reduced to a periodic wiggle. Listening has taken on a whole new meaning. That is, when I can get my hearing aid adjusted right. :)

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 21, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

You would like Mohegan Sun - it's wide open and the staff are reasonably relaxed.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Nov 21, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I had soooo much fun in Worcester! (and I can't play a note of music :)

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Poster: pigpen_81 Date: Nov 22, 2010 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I had a great time at the Worc. show as well. I have noticed that Bobby seems to drifting a bit tho. He spends an inordinate amount of time playing with knobs and sliders on his Amp/Sound-system and it really effects the chi ;)
There were moments I found myself standing still staring around the arena just looking because I was bored and the rhythm had left my body. At times though I was in full vibration and dancing as mush as I could in the small space I had.
I also found that when things were waning I could focus on Phil and has playing would bring me right back into the groove.
I enjoyed Worc. and was kicking myself for not doing MSG when I saw the set lists. But after reading some of this I am glad I went to see Dylan Sat. nite. That's a whole other story.. his band was extremely tight and they all played very well but Bob's (Dylan) voice was gravely as hell. I'm sure that's another thread tho ;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 22, 2010 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

We are seeing him this Saturday so I'd be interested in your review.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 22, 2010 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I saw Dylan back in early September and the band was great and he broke out a lot of tunes not "typical" of recent setlists. I loved the reworked arrangements on some tunes but the voice can be a bit hard to get over at times. Gargling pebbles. HOwever, at other times it really came through. And a caveat on going to shows with diminished expectations - with Dylan, you always have to consider the voice will not be a thing of beauty. That said, I had a great time.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 22, 2010 11:38am
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Thanks, we're really looking forward to it (even the teenager considers it worthwhile).

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Poster: pigpen_81 Date: Nov 23, 2010 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Ringo,
Set list is below. As I said earlier he and the band were tight. He switched back and forth from guitar to piano for different songs with occasional harmonica. The stage/set was pretty cool. They had a backdrop that wrapped the stage and they had different industrial & natural type images projected onto it. they also had some low angled lights projecting the bands shadows up on the backdrop overlaying the other images. It was very artsy and I thought it was really cool.
Bob's voice was the only drawback but it certainly didn't ruin it. I just wish he sounded better. He did change up arrangements on some of the songs and it was good. I had a great time and enjoyed the crowd/stage/band/show.
Some of the highlights for me were..

Stuck Inside Of Mobile
Visions Of Johanna
Tangled Up In Blue
Highway 61 Revisited
Not Dark Yet
Ballad Of A Thin Man

Well,... hope that was helpful and that you enjoy the show.
Peace..

1. Gonna Change My Way Of Thinking
2. It Ain't Me, Babe
3. Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
4. Love Sick
5. Rollin' And Tumblin'
6. Simple Twist Of Fate
7. Honest With Me
8. Visions Of Johanna
9. Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum
10. Tangled Up In Blue
11. Highway 61 Revisited
12. Not Dark Yet
13. Thunder On The Mountain
14. Ballad Of A Thin Man
15. Jolene
16. Like A Rolling Stone

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Thanks! Appreciate it.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 22, 2010 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

You can really see that on vids of recent shows.

edit - this referred to Bobby fiddling with equipment.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 22, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

They lit it up again last night too. I was blown away. I think that a lot of people are questionable about furthur because their worried about how the music is going to live up to the GD.

IF YOU GO TO SEE A FURTHUR SHOW EXPECTING TO HAVE A BAD TIME YOU WILL!!!!!!! I GAURENTEE IT.

Can't we remember that this music is AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION MUSIC? The boys arent going to blow your mind if you just sit their like a lump and wait for it.

YOU HAVE TO INVEST YOUR ENERGY INTO THE MUSIC TOO. GET UP AND DANCE AND STOP BEING ONE OF THOSE BUZZ KILL "ITS NO GOOD WITHOUT JERRY" PEOPLE.

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